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See below the string of my conversation with Frank Albert following Eunice's CBYRA report. As always with strings, read from bottom to the top:

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Jichlinski
To: Frank Albert
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 9:33 am
Subject: Re: HHSA West River Race

I hear you! we have exactly the same problem. We actually have more races than boats so some of us have to do RC twice. And our boat count is pretty much the same as yours. We're talking about that problem all the time, without much of a solution. Never thought about the dinner, that's a interesting idea.

We have discussed the fee, but at this point prefer to focus on raising attendance. I pretty much paid for the dock party but it was Costco cheap. Anyway for now, let's agree on that date, I will let you know what we decide on CBYRA after our meeting this weekend.

Best

Michel


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Albert
To: Michel Jichlinski
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 9:30 am
Subject: Re: HHSA West River Race

Michel,

Providing a committee at the finish is going to be a challenge. Here's the problem. We race in 33 races a year and most of our members are required to be RC for a race. Last year we had 35 members but only 32 of them were required to be an RC. The other 3 do so much for the club it was just unfair to ask them to do more. That left us having to pay (with a dinner) someone to do RC twice. So having said that unless we have more members this year it's going to be very tough for me to get an RC for the stand. Also at this point I think it would be fair to charge a small fee for the race, say $10 to cover the costs of your awards and everything. I mean the Gov Cup charged something like $125 and you didn't get much more than a long race for that money.

VR,
Frank


-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Jichlinski
To: Frank Albert
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 7:03 am
Subject: Re: HHSA West River Race

I mean we (HHSA) would take care of preparing NOR, SI's and of a Committee Boat doing the start. Your club would have folks on the finish line timing the arrivals.

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Albert
To: Michel Jichlinski
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2020 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: HHSA West River Race

I'm open to making it a CBYRA event, sure. As far as I know that date works for me. What do you mean about organizing the RC. Do you need people or what?

FXA


-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Jichlinski
To: Frank Albert
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2020 5:17 pm
Subject: HHSA West River Race

Hello Frank, Happy New Year

We are planning to do the Herring Bay to West River Race on August 22, 2020. Three questions:

1) Does that date work for you?
2) Can you organize the finish line Race Committee (i.e. taking the times of arriving boats)
3) Would you be open to/interested in opening up the race to CBYRA as a joint effort? If yes we need to decide on that by January 25.

Best Regards,

Michel Jichlinski

I will be there. DMc and I went to the CBYRA annual meeting before the holidays and here are two CBYRA items:

1. West River Race - we need to finalize the date and decide whether we open it up to CBYRA (in which case we need to have the date finalized by January 25 for the Green Book)? And whether anyone is willing to take ownership of the race.

2. Women's Regatta - we need to submit the final NOR (or, in our case, we did SIs for simplicity) to CBYRA by Jan. 25. There is a CBYRA scheduling meeting on Jan. 25 in Eastport (we plan to go to rep HHSA but anyone else can go).

Eunice

Sorry, cannot do afternoon for meeting.  Please go for it w/o me.

Rich

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Currently I have Rich Ordeman, Jason Fox, Ted Slotwinski, Doug Ellmore ad myself present at the meeting. I propose to meet at from 2 pm to 4 pm at Skippers on Saturday. I have left a vm to make sure they can accommodate our group but I hope it will not be a problem this time of the year. Skippers is closed on Mondays so I will not hear back until tomorrow.

See you soon

Michel
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Currently I have Rich Ordeman, Jason Fox, Ted Slotwinski, Doug Ellmore ad myself present at the meeting. I propose to meet at from 2 pm to 4 pm at Skippers on Saturday. I have left a vm to make sure they can accommodate our group but I hope it will not be a problem this time of the year. Skippers is closed on Mondays so I will not hear back until tomorrow.

See you soon

Michel

Al clarification. The question was asked: why was this posted on the Racing Discussions Forum?

As things stand now, The Competition Committee meeting (proper name of the committee) will have 8 members that continue from last year: Hank Chalkley, Ted Slotwinski, Doug Ellmore, Gerry Perez, David McCullough, Eunice Lin, Emily Manders, and me. Usually the Committee has more folks who assist in the performance of some of the tasks necessary to the racing program. So my intent was to let everyone know the meeting would take place, and invite those interested to join the group. I doubt we will be too many and would love to have this problem.

So please come and find out how you can help!

Michel

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Attachment updated with info provided by Ted

Interesting to see that the PHRF TOT formula is being revisited.  Note that the A coefficient in the TCF formula has no effect on the order of finishers. It's the choice of the B coefficient that is important.  Here in Lake Michigan many races use TOD (time on distance) but the longer distance races use some form of TOT.  TOD gives a fixed time correction that depends on the course distance while TOT essentially gives a boat speed correction.   I'm attaching a presentation by Jim Teeters of the Offshore Racing Association.  It provides some context but doesn't really say what to do especially when there is a wide range of PHRF ratings within the fleet.  Good luck with your deliberations.

Arne

Arne Fliflet
Mazal Tov
Burnham Harbor
Chicago

I plan to attend. Agenda looks good.

Attachment updated with info provided by Ted

I will attend.  Note, Keith made a typo in his e-mail.  The TCF formula does not apply to ToD scoring, only ToT.  The question I raised is that HHSA’s TCF formula no longer matches that recommended by PHRF of the Chesapeake, and neither uses the variable factors for modifying TCF for different average wind conditions.  Should HHSA change?

Ahoy racers

We need to get going with the new year. I would like to convene a meeting of the Racing Committee on Saturday January 11, 2020.

Attached is a preliminary Agenda and an attachment. please let me know by registering on the website that you plan on coming and any items you would like to add to agenda or modifications you would like to make.

Thanks, see you all soon.

Michel